375 cheytac vs 416 barrett
I plan to mention more specifics of what I found in subsequent posts. 22 lbs.). When I attended the Applied Ballistics Seminar, Mitch Fitzpatrick gave a very informative talk on ELR rifles and cartridges. But the expense is more than just the rifle; the optics and accessories can also add up pretty quickly. Great guy too. I’d bet 99% of shooters have never shot out to 1000 yards, so you’re in the 1%! My concept was to go for a magfed, light around 10kg for all up weight , so a practical/tactical rifle not a ‘crew served’ 40+lbs rilfe for one competition per year. That’s especially true for guys traveling from far away to Raton, which is pretty high up in the mountains (DA was 9000 ft during the finals). Glad you enjoyed the read. Two of them shot the second target and 2 did not. Certainly some good points in there. A few competitors measured gusts up to 50 or even 60 mph! It was really interesting to see how diverse their equipment choices were. Bryan Litz has graciously agreed to help me with those posts, and we’re collaborating on them now. Due to this, CheyTac USA added .375 CheyTac … Trijicon Ventus: Measuring Range AND WIND! Thanks for the information. Great article as usual. They drew out of the names of those who connected, which is a good incentive to sling some lead at it. The spotters I remember seeing were lots of the Swarovski with the digital reticle or the one with the binocular eye-piece adapter, the Leupold Mark 4, the Hensoldt Spotter 45, and a couple of Nightforce Spotting scopes. Cal, Without them saying that is what they’ll provide, there is no guarantee … which is the tricky part of advertising the specs the way they do. For example, the 416 Barrett has almost 4 times the case capacity and muzzle energy of a 6.5 Creedmoor! Glad you enjoyed the article. So in short, I don’t know for sure … but probably! mil or MOA). I have load data with a SD of 4fps, you’d just have to deprime and reload the brass. One thing I’ve learned over the past several years is that cartridge popularity follows bullet design. I checked with Krieger and they said their lead time would be 6 months on a 375 caliber 36” barrel. My action is a funky 3 lug rearlocker (reduces action lenght and weight by almost a third ,in tubechassis ,80+% of the chassis is carbon fiber and reciever and bolt are not chromemolly but much higher grade tool steel . One alternative gaining some momentum is Rimfire ELR. Thanks for all you do. HTI 375CT with CE 352's is about as accurate as it comes. In the finals, if you were firing at the first target and missed it the first 5 shots you could continue to send rounds at it and if you hit it wouldn’t count for points, but you could move on to the next target and possibly hit it for points. I see he did shoot but placed 23rd. In 2017, Ronnie Wright did get 2nd place at King of 2 Miles with a stock Barrett M99 chambered in 416 Barrett, which you can buy for $3,850. That shooter was Paul Phillips, so obviously he’s sent a ton of rounds downrange and knows better than me, but I appreciated that he wisely laid up there. 375/416, chamber reamer drawing (2) 375/50 BMG, chamber reamer drawing (5) 375/50 JGS, chamber reamer drawing (3) 375 Allen Magnum 375 Allen Xpress 375 CheyTac (9.5x77) - Peterson/CIP (9), chamber reamer drawing (2) 375 EnABELR (Applied Ballastics) 375 Hubel Express/HE-public domain design; reamer drawing; cases, dies, and reamers available, contact 585he at cmsinter.net 375 Lethal … I have to wonder if the bullet will still be flying nose forward beyond 3000 yards or if it’ll destabilize and start turning end over end. Last year that wasn’t the case, and they could just have their best wind coach and best spotter for all their shooters, but they changed the rules up a little this year so the team had to adapt. Being developed by John D. Taylor and a machinist named William O. Wordman, it was designed to be used with military and law enforcement applications, specifically, in anti-personnel, anti-sniper and anti-materiel roles out to a range of a whopping 2,200 yards (2,000m). It’s actually legendary for the opposite of that. Thanks for sharing! With those rifles, you load and shoot by the hundreds and all of that shooting gives you a thorough understanding of how the rifle behaves in different conditions, how your muzzle velocity is affected by temperature, round count, etc. top 5 top 10 top 20 I recall 375 CT variants placing well in past years.
In Raton, there are updrafts that can throw you off target vertically … even if you forget about the horizontal component of the wind. It was interesting to see what the top shooters were using in terms of equipment and gear, and I’ll share a summary of that in this post. I’m putting one on a 338 Lapua and want to take it to 3500 yards. Absolutely, Jonathan. The teams start behind their firing position and deploy on a start command. This is going to be a .375 Chey Tac for a customer. I would be hesitant to say that these guys finished on top because they had the best equipment. I would love to go there, and would also very much love to go on a safari there. I see that you are running 30moa base and 30moa rings. That is why some shooters go with the .375 CheyTac rather than larger cases like one of the screaming .375 wildcats, .416 Barrett, or other cartridges. Big ass gun with big ass bullets. I know, that'll raise some fur, but they make the best solid long range bullet out there. 402 Posts #21 • Apr 7, 2014. How are you liking it? While Derek won his KO2M title at Raton shooting the .375 CheyTac cartridge, Derek decided that something even bigger was in order. I’ve seen guys use blast barriers in between competitors at a match, but that was to the sides, not in front of them to shield them from the concussion on their own rifle. Great question. 1547 88% 80% 77% First, what is the resolution of the spotting at 2 miles? The .375 IS the king of the hill right now and is proving to be the cartridge to beat. It’s a fun sport, and I bet it catches on with more people. Honestly, I’d be shocked if I don’t have pretty much exactly the same amount of clicks under my 100 yard zero as I do on my 300 Norma rifle setup. That could change, but that seems to be the most popular chambering at this point, and some of that relates to the reasons I spoke about in this post. … and hey, don’t worry about being popular. Le .416 Barrett est un type de munition antipersonnel créée par Barrett Firearms Inc. C'est une munition de 10,6x83 mm. With expensive barrels, the proposition of fire-forming brass gets more expensive too. First, Bryan thought both were very capable, and the optimal choice … You don’t want to miss on the same side twice, but then again you don’t want to miss the target on the other side either! Would love to go and watch this in the next year or two. As of 2007, the .375 in (9.5 mm) caliber variants seemed to attract the most attention. I’m concerned the Mil-C reticle won’t have enough hash marks for hold-overs so I’ve been racking my brain between getting an adjustable base like the Ivey, or a Tremor reticle to have lots of hold-over marks. A suppressor can get pretty hot if you don’t watch it, and the barrel will retain more heat too … at least compared to a muzzle brake. There are a couple 375 suppressors, like those by Crux Suppressors, but they don’t appear to have widespread use in ELR competitions. John is from Pennsylvania, and has been an active part of the 1000 yard Benchrest community there. Yes, everyone did attempt the cold bore shot. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. Thanks, Bobby. I think it will answer your question to: This gets back to my comment about the rules being a little complex.
© Copyright 2021 PrecisionRifleBlog.com, All Rights Reserved. Cal, It is an alternative to the .50 BMG in long-range high-power rifles. The fastest way to get your hands on equipment would likely be to buy a complete factory Barrett rifle or a Noreen rifle, which might be able to ship out to you today. That may take a more sophisticated approach than what it takes to get hits inside of 1500 yards. There were far more shooters using a 375 CheyTac than any other cartridge at King of 2 Miles. Awesome. Hi Cal. Quantifying how much each part influences the whole is the question. The guys shooting the farthest are using bullets weighing from 350 grains up to 750 grains from cartridges that hold a ton of powder. Honestly, I’m interested in learning about this stuff myself, which is why I went. I appreciate the suggestion. You might check it out if you haven’t read it already: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2018/09/17/extreme-long-range-tips-ballistics-time-of-flight/, First Class Cal – thank you from down under, Disruptive Innovation leading to rapid Obsolesence are a real problem for those of us not swiming in $$$. I’ve been on the fence for a while but once I read your posts and got your response, I’m sold on the 7-35. Ha! If you run into an issue, you just go to the range with 50-60 rounds and can usually work it out. Go ahead and count that out in your head right now, and think about how long the wind has to act on the bullet. If you’re like me and enjoy ringing steel a long way off, what better time in history to live than this?! Now if only I could shoot as good as I write! I’ll keep this one short. Is your 338 rifle based on the .408 case? Most of this is “special order” or made in very limited runs, because this is still a very niche area and there aren’t a lot of orders for this stuff yet. Here is one of the most valuable takeaways from our Q&A sessions, and it seems especially relevant to these topics: PRB: What is the best piece of advice you’d give someone wanting to get into ELR shooting? Great question, Jay. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. In some parts of the country it may even be a non-starter. Reticle choice is such a personal thing anyway. I don’t consider myself a wind expert to the level that some guys are, but I have thought about putting something together. If my explanation doesn’t make sense or you want more detail, I published the full set of rules they had posted there on a cork board: 2018 King of 2 Miles Rules. At the 2018 King of 2 Miles, I had a conversation with Bryan about cartridges, and we specifically talked about comparisons between the .375 CheyTac and .416 Barrett. The downside is you better have enough elevation adjustments or you’ll end up having to dial elevation + hold elevation + dial wind, since there is no way to hold both wind and elevation (i.e. Oh yea skill of the person. I’ve just decided that I won’t buy a spotting scope that doesn’t have a reticle in it anymore, and I heard a couple guys there echo that sentiment. 19 Comments. Cold bore and first round impacts are a big deal in ELR competitions, so it pays to know if your first shot is slow/fast, and out of the group. On the SHOT Show 2010 Range Day, our Assistant Editor Jason Baney headed straight to the biggest, baddest rifles he could find -- a pair of serious-looking tactical rigs from Barrett Rifles. Seems one needs long-range WEZ software to sort the relative significance of the variables before the match. There are places in the country that have more calm and consistent winds. Really you had 15 shots total (excluding the cold bore shot, which didn’t count for points). He’s a guy that is easy to root for – very unassuming and always has a smile on his face. If you were randomly assigned a slot where there was a lot of switching winds and updrafts in the qualifying round, you were out of it before you knew what happened. ... rifles or variants of them in everything from 6.5 Creedmoor, 300 Win Mag, 300 Norma, through the big 338 Lapua, and 416 Barrett. The only thing I can think of is he could have had an equipment malfunction. I think that is one of the big reasons this will pick up steam dramatically over the next couple years. But, it is always interesting to see what the top guys chose to compete with, so here we go! I’m just as confused as you! You could do the math to figure out exactly, but I’d guess you’d need closer to 175 MOA in your base/mount to be able to dial that much with the scope and hold center. or you won’t be close to a first round hit. Despite all that, it was some excellent shooting and world-class results. I wonder if the erosion at the muzzle was from use with the suppressor. The costly and heavy equipment doesn’t make it out to the range for practice as frequently as a 308 Win or similar “normal” rifle. I assume that none of these rounds stay super sonic at ELR ranges of two miles. In principle the elevation is deterministic. I just wanted to try to share what I found with anyone else who might be interested in this stuff. But that helps tame the recoil, and increase inertia should help you be more precise. While it’s easy to get caught-up in the equipment and it might be tempting to wait to see where things settle, I’d encourage you to jump in and try it out! This Wyoming ELR match is the only match like it anywhere in the country. © Copyright 2021 PrecisionRifleBlog.com, All Rights Reserved. Yep. But if you don’t have data service, that can be a problem. I like small groups when I hand load, but but like to shoo... Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. It was really tough for me to watch. So the multipliers are 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 when engaging a target 5 times, and 3, 2, 1 when engaging a target with 3 shots. I own several, but typically use a brake because I’m impatient and don’t want to wait as long for the barrel to cool. I actually think this 3-part series m... Cal: Great question, Joe. Also, any harmonics or other similar effects that may be present are only amplified by the longer barrel. I’ve done the same thing more than once in a competition, so I totally understand. While you can’t ignore where the last impact hit, it’s also common for guys to “chase” a shot that strays one way or the other. In fact, this year the King of 2 Miles was won by Robert Brantley, who comes from the PRS world! But here’s an excerpt from that post on what I felt like was the most valuable part: But, the most valuable thing was just the interactive conversation with James while we all sat behind spotting scopes looking down range.